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Ken Loach interview on Route Irish

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Acclaimed film director Ken Loach spoke to Simon Hester about his new thriller Route Irish on mercenaries in Iraq
Issue 2244
Rachel (Andrea Lowe) and Fergus (Mark Womack) in Liverpool
Rachel (Andrea Lowe) and Fergus (Mark Womack) in Liverpool

Route Irish is an engrossing thriller. Why base it around private security contractors?

The rising prominence of private security companies in the news made me think that perhaps that was the story to tell.

[Scriptwriter] Paul Laverty and I have had Iraq very much in our minds since this whole illegal enterprise took off, but until now we couldn’t see a way into it as a film.

As the number of soldiers has been reduced the war has come full circle. It was fought in the interests of big corporations and now private companies are making money out of the actual occupation itself.

Have you been criticised for focusing on contractors rather than the plight of the Iraqis?

There’s no way Paul and I could make a film from an Iraqi perspective. We don’t speak the language. I wouldn’t understand nuances of behaviour.

But I hope there’s enough in the film to indicate that the suffering is primarily with the Iraqis.

At one point an Iraqi asks, “Are you only interested in solving this because it’s an Englishman? Don’t the Iraqis count?”

The mother on the phone says, “I don’t want your money. I don’t want anything from you.”

We were conscious from the word go that we had to give the audience clues that the Iraqis were suffering.

We use real shots of the war that show who is getting killed. And while Fergus shows remorse at the torture he witnessed, it was the Iraqis who were getting tortured.

The film makes no reference to George W Bush, Tony Blair, the anti‑war movement or the wider political picture. What was your motivation for that?

I think it was a desire to keep things implicit. We constantly get hammered because they say, “It’s too political”.

Nobody in the film makes a political speech. We hope it’s all implied: the role of private capital, the fact that profits superseded everything else in terms of behaviour.

Most of the film is set in Liverpool and there is an overall sense of the reality of war being brought back home. Was that your intention?

We wanted to show that this is something we can’t disassociate ourselves from. It happened far away but you can’t just draw the curtains and forget about it. We wanted to break the amnesia that is encouraged.

But where there is violence it appears very real. How did the actor cope with the waterboarding scene?

We had tried to do that in various ways, but the contraptions didn’t work. So he just said, “Look I’ll do it”. So we did it. It meant the scene could flow as it should do.

It was authentic, except that he wasn’t bound down so he could have sat up at any point. And sometimes we’ve used the cutting room to lengthen the time the water was being poured.

But he had a panic attack on the way home and nightmares. He’s through it now, but it was unpleasant. And the performance he gave in the middle of all that was brilliant.

Another element is the sexual politics. Don’t you think the pivotal female character, Rachel, comes across as a bit idealised?

Like a lot of people she pretends that bad things don’t happen. So she’s not idealised at all. If she were idealised she’d have been on the Stop the War march! Her ignorance is culpable.

She did all right out of it—they’ve obviously got a nice flat. She’s involved but wanting not to know the source of his income.

I think there’s also a complicated relationship with Fergus that he can only really express through violence.

They have too much to drink together and they go out together and there’s the potential of a dangerous relationship.

What kills it is that Fergus has violence woven into his soul now and then he gets disgusted with what he’s doing and the whole thing stops there.

We talked about something more complex than we managed to show and that’s probably my fault.

The central male characters in Route Irish are basically violent mercenaries. Did you want us to empathise with them and see them as victims?

In some senses they are victims.

A lot of career soldiers join up when they’re very young from cities that have suffered economically.

In the film you see Fergus and Frankie at 16 or 17 dreaming of what they’ll do when they grow up. They do go and it kills one and destroys the other.

I think you’ve got to have some understanding for what has made these guys who they are.

Among the contractors and soldiers we met were many who were doing the job in what they saw as a good, professional way.

The character Frankie is like that and that’s what gets him into trouble. He won’t accept the random shooting that he thought was trigger-happy.

So we met all kinds of people, and the last thing we want to do is to generalise about them and turn them into villains. That’s not the story at all. The ones who are culpable are those who run the companies and see their role as to make profit out of war.

The lads on the front line may make more money than they would as soldiers, but not a huge fortune.

Did you bring in comedian John Bishop as Frankie to reach a wider audience?

No. He wasn’t well known when we cast him. Shortly afterwards he got a first gig on Live at the Apollo and everything fanned out from there.

We’re all dead chuffed for him. He’s a nice, funny guy and he’s been very supportive of the film.

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